a witch hunt

To my faithful readers – this post is going to be a bit longer than my normal posts and a bit “heavier” as well.

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The Sunday edition of the Los Angeles Times, February 3, 2013, ran an article on the front page regarding raves and cities using them as revenue generating streams despite the drug overdose and death risks associated with such music festivals.  The article continued beyond the front page and ended up sprawling across nearly two other full pages inside the main section of the paper.

Just the word “rave” stirs up emotions in people, doesn’t it?  “Do you know where your kids are?  Tonight could be the night the venture into the potentially deadly world of ‘the rave.’”  Can’t you just picture all those innocent under age kids having illegal drugs slipped into their water unbeknownst to them, going crazy, and engaging in all sorts of other illegal activities?  Better lock up your kids, the raves are coming to town.

I was a raver.  I was a dancer, a PLUR (peace, love, unity, respect) enthusiast, a member of a good vibes crew making sure people at the parties were having a good time and being taken care of, a music aficionado, and eventually a DJ.  I was at the party near “the edge of the Mojave” 11 years ago where five people died of overdoses and drug-related car crashes.  I saw the paramedics using paddles to try and save one of those lives.

It was a tragic and unnerving scene, something I will never forget.

However, while the article in The Times does spout off numbers related to deaths at raves in the past couple years, the main point they are trying to drive home isn’t necessarily that raves are dangerous and cities should refuse to host them.  The authors framed it as a witch hunt – calling out the promoters of these parties (who they believe should be responsible for the welfare of all attendees rather than holding the partiers responsible for their own actions) and calling out the cities who continue to host these deadly events because they want the revenue they generate through hotel bookings, location rentals, clean-up fees, licensing, etc…  The authors are trying to argue that these local governmental bodies care more about a few dollars coming in the door than they do about the lives of the “kids” at these parties. 

The last rave I attended I was 25… I’d hardly say I was a kid.  I have friends who still go to raves who are into their 30’s.  I’d hardly say they are kids.  I won’t disagree that there are some children at these parties but once someone is 18 and legally considered an adult there isn’t much we can do about that, is there?  Society has deemed them old enough to start making decisions on their own and so they must be held accountable for their own actions.

But Matticus, you ask, what about all the free flowing drugs at these parties?  What if these kids are being drugged without consent or even knowledge of what’s being given to them?

Really?  Do you really think that is going on?  They are called drug dealers for a reason.  They have that gritty image you seen on all those cop shows for a reason.  They are in it for a profit – they aren’t going to just give them away.  Plus, they don’t do their dealing out in the open where the cops and security employees can see them, confiscate their wares and send them to jail in handcuffs.  If you want drugs, you have to seek out these individuals and pay them.  It’s not just a choice, but a choice that takes effort.  If you are on drugs at a rave it’s because you want to be.

But Matticus, you ask, shouldn’t the promoters be held responsible for allowing the drug dealers into the parties in the first place?  Shouldn’t they try to stop that behavior from happening?

Every party I ever attended from the largest “massive” of over 100,000 people to the smallest underground rave in a hole the wall in downtown Los Angeles where there were 10 people in attendance, I walked through a metal detector and was patted down.  All my belongings were sifted through.  Sometimes I was forced to take my shoes off.  Basically, security was as good at these raves as it is at most airports across the country.  Once inside, uniformed police officers and security guards walked through the crowd, and plain clothed narcs patrolled for illegal activity.  So, what more can we expect the promoters to do?  Where there is a will, there is a way.

Are you saying that no illegal drug activity goes on at Phish concerts?  At Willie Nelson concerts?  At Elton John concerts?  At a friend’s house who lives across town when their parents are away and you think they are getting together to study?  At school between classes or during lunch breaks?  On college campuses on a random Tuesday night when nothing else is going on?

The people who want to use, will use.  Some of those will OD.  Some will not.  In the meantime there are many hundreds of thousands of people who want to attend these parties across the country who are there for the music and the community.  Do we take away their enjoyment, their outlet to dance and learn and live and grow, just because a few people don’t know how to act responsibly?  Do we keep cities who are struggling to make ends meet from hosting these events and reaping the financial rewards?  Do we sue and jail the promoters of the parties who are cutting into their own revenue to provide security and other safety measures when the people in attendance should be responsible for their own actions?

Loss of life is a very serious thing.  I agree completely, and I am saddened when I hear about a single loss for any reason.  But, in most of the cases, if not all, when it comes to raves the person who passed away brought it on themselves through the choices they made.

“The all-night party of electronic dance music was among the big raves to emerge from an Ecstasy-fueled underground of urban warehouses.”  I won’t argue that there isn’t ecstasy, pot, mushrooms, acid and pretty much every other drug being used at raves – but I’m pretty sure it’s the music that fuels them.  The people are there for the music.  If they were just in it for the drugs there are much easier ways to go about it.

“Since 2006, at least 14 people who attended concerts … have died from overdoses or in other drug-related incidents, a Times investigation has found.”  That’s 14 deaths across 9 states in 7 years where drugs taken during a rave were the major contributing factor to someone passing away.  In November of last year the LA Times published an article that stated “prescription overdoses kill more people than heroin and cocaine.”  Per the CDC, there were 27,658 unintentional drug overdose deaths in the United States in 2007 alone.

“Despite warnings of drug risks from law enforcement and health officials, the raves have received the blessing of local governments hungry for the revenue they deliver.”  Should hospitals and prescription drug manufacturers be put to the sword too for wanting to make a profit on drugs that people are abusing and over dosing on?

“’The city should have zero tolerance for any activity where drugs are an integral part,” Penman [San Bernadino city attorney] said. ‘A rave without drugs is like a rodeo without horses. They don’t happen.’”  We better shut down all the psychiatric centers where drugs are an integral part in the care being provided.  We better shut down all the hospitals.  I know I’m taking that quote a bit out of context, but you have to admit that the statement is a bit absurd.  Should we also shut down bars – drugs are integral in their revenue?

“’They don’t happen.’”  Really?  What a bold statement.  I guess all those parties I threw after college where my friends and I hosted (planned, promoted, dj’ed, ran security, etc…) must not have been raves.  I mean, the music was the same.  The people were the same.  The atmosphere was the same, but I guess we were throwing something other than a rave.  A rave without music wouldn’t happen.  Raves without drugs can and do happen all the time.

Obviously, the Rong-Gong Lin II, Paul Pringle and Andrew Blankstein article struck a chord with me.  Perhaps it’s something that had building within me for awhile and since this story hit close enough to home it finally prompted me to write something of my own.  But, I’m tired of the blame game.  I’m tired of people refusing to take responsibility for their own actions, and I’m tired of the actions of a few ruining something for everyone else.

Raves are popular, the music is popular, the community is popular, and any city that harnesses that popularity and allows a legal event to be held at one of their venues is going to reap the monetary benefits.  Should the responsible partiers, the tax payers, the organizers, be held responsible for the illegal actions of a few people?   They over dosed, they passed away, they were too young, yes, it is sad and it shouldn’t have happened.  But they made their choices and they suffered the consequences.  Is that harsh of me?  Probably.  Is it the truth?  Absolutely.  So, why do need to do these witch hunts?  Why do we need to find someone else to blame when we already know who is at fault?

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If you made it this far, thank you for sticking with me through my rant.  I’m sure I may have struck chords in some of you as well, so please feel free to leave your comments, responses, questions, retorts, arguments, etc…  I would love to know what you have to say in response.  Keep it civil if you can.  If you can’t, I’ll understand.

54 thoughts on “a witch hunt

  1. I’ve never been to a rave. I have heard of them of course. But, like you, I believe it’s time people took responsibility for their own actions. They fight to be ‘adults’, yet when they make decisions people want to blame someone else. They bought the drugs, they sought out the drugs, they swallowed the drugs, they did it. Not the promoters or anyone else. I’m sorry they died too. They made poor decisions, yes, but it was still THEIR decision to make. If I make the bad decision to step out in traffic and I get hit by a bus, should my family sue the bus company? the city? the driver? NO. It was my stupid decision. I went against common sense and paid the price. Sad, yes. But no one was to blame but me. Same for people who do drugs. Sorry for the long comment.

    • No need to apologize! Thanks for taking the time to read and add your two cents. I’m waiting for someone to make the argument that the kids don’t understand the consequences their decisions can have, and the people hosting the event and allowing the event to happen in the first place have some obligation to help those people make informed decisions. But, in this day and age, what 16 year old doesn’t know that drugs are bad and can be addicting and can lead to death?

      • Exactly! For that matter what 12 year old doesn’t know that? As you said also, if they want them, they will get them. They always do.

      • When did we become a society so intent upon needing to save ourselves from ourselves? Where did we lose our way? When did it become okay to blame others rather than take responsibility? And how do we get back to that? If we even can…

  2. “If they were just in it for the drugs there are much easier ways to go about it.” Totally agree.

    I do know what it is like to be effected by OD/near-OD by a friend or family member, more than once now. None of these people had been to a rave the night before, or ever, so the location the took the drugs or how they got them had nothing to do with the OD. The ages range from 18 to 50 something. If someone is going to take something once,or take a lot and lose control, they would do it by at home while the rest of the family is watching TV, at a rave with 100 other people or by themselves in a hotel room.

    I guess to some (like my extended, estranged family) it might be they view a rave as the full embodiment of the type of music that has been blamed as a reason for killing and crimes, even though they are not the same. I just don’t understand how in this century we can still put so much value into something like that vs. personal action.

    I grew up in a small town and never went out much so I never have been to one, not sure even now how popular raves are in my city now that my son is a teen. If there are some nearby and they have the security like you said, then I would trust him to go (when old enough) because he has proven himself to make good decisions, especially in light of seeing our family members’ struggles . If I were to keep him from going anywhere that might offer temptation, then unfortunately school would the first place I would have to ban.

    (sorry for rambling!)

    • Love the ramble, thanks for taking the time to comment. I should have looked up how many drug related incidents happen at schools every year – that would have been a great stat to throw in the mix.

  3. I have never been one to go to a rave, but I am in agreement. Didn’t people do drugs at Woodstock? It can happen anywhere.

  4. CombatBabe aka CB has some shit to say (as always):

    I will preface by saying I have never been to a rave and I have never wanted to go to one. I have rolled twice in my life and both times it was hell on earth. I thought I was going to die. I am not kidding.

    That said, at least in the areas I have lived people go to the raves to get high. How “fun” would it be to be at a rave sober? It may not sound so bizarre to some, but it does sound completely whacked out to me. I would not want a whole bunch of sweaty tripped out kids jumping around me and trying to feel me up with trance music blasting so loud I can feel the reverberations in my stomach.

    Secondly, as I understand you are sticking up for raves, do not turn such a blind eye that you think people aren’t slipping drugs to other without their knowledge. Predators are everywhere and what better place to be than at a rave? Yes, you have to pay for drugs, but you cannot say for fact that you know that person who is buy that drug is going to consume that drug.

    I saw a few years ago a documentary on raves and they were having drug experts test the drugs so that people knew what they were taking and it was keeping the rave safe. I don’t remember if these were raves in Europe or here, but they were obviously underground. My freshman year Health teacher was awesome. We saw a lot of things that were real life. Testing what you plan on taking is freaking smart.

    Your non-drug raves can be called clubbing or parties. Raves, from what I have grown up with, are for rolling and tripping and all that shenanigans.

    I hope you don’t feel like I am being a bitch and saying you’re wrong. I am not doing so since you are the expert in this scenario and I am just a chick with a lot of opinions. I agree with your post, I think it’s not only educational, but excellent. And I think The Times article is messed up. I think you should write them. Send this post. Let the editors see what the community thinks; you’re one person, but you still count and could essentially be speaking for a lot of people.

    • Thanks for the feedback CB. In a way, yes, I was sticking up for raves… but, at the heart of my rant was really just trying to understand why people aren’t accountable for their own decisions any more. The article was just the straw breaking my camel’s back, as it were. I also find it interesting that so much stigma is applied to that one word: rave. A rose by any other name is still a rose… We can call them parties, music festivals, dance gatherings, etc… and they will always be the same thing – the people, the music, the community make it a rave no matter what it is called. Maybe I’m way off base here – maybe my experiences are such a narrow part of the whole scene that I don’t know what I’m talking about. But, for me, for my friends, for the other dj’s I knew – we were never there for the drugs. Thanks for reading and commenting. 😀

      • Yeah, I guess that point slipped through the cracks on me. With that I am 100% on board with you for people being accountable for their actions, even those under 18 years of age. I did some stupid shit as a teenager, but I wasn’t dumb. I knew the consequences and risks.

      • I’m sure we’ve all made mistakes – I’ve sure we’ve all made choices we knew weren’t the ones we were “supposed” to make, and we were okay with making them anyway.

  5. Kids will always do stupid things. Everything that is not allowed is exciting. They don’t see the long run percussion yet. We have a very open culture here in Holland about drugs but every now and then we see tourist (and locals) trying drugs as if they were skittles. Some years back a girl jumped screaming out of a window and didn’t survive. I think mushrooms and a few other things. Can’t remember. Some visit Holland solely for the purpose of using drugs and it doesn’t always end well. Think the same applies to kids. Not saying that drugs dealers aren’t crafty at what they do to lure people but well.. they’re in the streets too. If you end the scene it won’t mean you end drugs use. When I went to secondary education I go offered a joint on the first day by a senior and most hard drug dealers frequent local pubs that were around my school.

    I don’t have children yet but if do I hope they can attend rave parties. If they want to choose to use drugs then it’s up to them.
    It’s not that I can prevent them anyways. I just hope I raised them well enough to make smart choices and enjoy the music.

    As per me.. two beers and I am under the table. No need for drugs. 😉

    • Very interesting… I hadn’t even thought about cultures that are more open about drug use. There are raves there, right? (Do they have a different name?) Are the kids going to those parties just for the drugs (which they could get anywhere else) or for the music or for…? I’d be curious to hear about the rate of deaths from overdoses at those parties to see if there is much of a difference. I wonder what the authors of the Times article would have to say about that? Thank you for reading and adding your perspective!

      • Lots. I even think that (horrible) song I’m a raver was Dutch. 😉 In Holland the rave style is a bit harder (Hardcore house, gabber etc) but still very much alive.

        When I was a teen rave was still relatively new and I think most of the negative judgments came from fear – not knowing what really went on on those parties. It’s not country music. Add the shaven heads (back then) and tracksuits and you have subculture that get marginalized quite easy. That synthetic drugs were used didn’t make it much better but the truth it that most of those deaths could have been prevented. There was until the mid nineties little to no regulation.

        Now it’s very regulated. You can test your drugs on its quality/if it has lethal substances (some years back a girl died because her xtc was not ‘clean’), there is a medical team onsite and most festivals or parties will distribute water to meet those who get dehydrated during these parties. In general, legal dance festivals are perceived positive now. You will find people of all ages and (I used ‘kids’ before but def. a lot of grans too) some are responsible some not.

        Anyways, I can’t find much about statistics but every once in a while there is somebody who takes an overdose or succumbed to three days of partying. It’s not that people are dying by the bushes. One research said:

        “A Houseparty is saver than the average soccer match.”

        I think he’s right.

      • Hah, the hooligan in me just cringed. (Okay, I’m not really a hooligain – and there has been a lot of bad things going on at football matches around the world this year – violence, racism, etc…) Interesting, interesting, it’s a very interesting. Thanks again for your input!

      • Also.. CD sales/downloads etc will say enough about people’s motives to go to rave (house dance) parties. The music is awesome! 😀

  6. I go out clubbing and have attended lots of outdoor parties (raves). I’ve been involved in lots of party environments, and some of my best memories are created from these times. Personally, I don’t think party recreational drugs are bad… what is bad is what they are occasionally cut with, and the drug dealers at the top who are often not very nice people. CB also mentioned people spiking peoples drinks… I’ve never witnessed that although I guess it must happen, just as crimes outside of raves happen.
    People on ecstasy are wayyy more pleasant than half of the drunken @rseholes you see falling about all over the place, the same with weed smokers. I know that’s a massive generalisation, but I’m speaking from my experience, and about me and my friends.
    I’ve got a crazy idea – why doesn’t the government regulate the use of drugs and put strict tests in place to ensure that what people think they are taking is what they are actually taking. That’s a pretty good way to reduce drug related deaths. Accidents that occur when people are high are just as likely to happen when people are drunk.
    I can go out clubbing and not take drugs; I like techno! But you’re right; if I want to go and get out of my face while dancing my sweaty little socks off that is definitely up to me.
    I like your post 🙂

    • Thanks for sharing your experience and first hand insight. Legalizing and regulating drugs is an interesting argument (one the pot community has been arguing for years to get implemented). From a government perspective it seems like a no-brainer – a new tax revenue stream, job creation for regulators, experts, analysis, testing, etc… and you remove the criminal element that currently occupies the dealer/pusher roles. I guess it’s a slippery slope though, because which ones do you legalize and which do we all agree shouldn’t be used by anyone ever…?

  7. Sorry, I think my second last sentence sounds a bit rude. By saying its up to me, I’m agreeing with what you wrote and mean that I’m aware of the consequences of any choices I make and wouldn’t ever ‘blame’ any one (person, corporation, whatever) for my actions 🙂

  8. Personally, I can’t abide loud music or crowds or, for that matter, flashing lights. So the whole idea of a rave doesn’t have much appeal for me. I’d much rather stay home with Netflix and a few beers.

    However, for those people who want to be part of large group listening and dancing to loud music, I think they have every right to be. It sounds to me as if “Rave” just made “Scapegoat Of The Week”. If those figures you quoted from the article are accurate, then probably as many young people OD at bowling alleys or skating rinks than at Raves.

    Articles such as the one you reference always remind me of Harold Hill’s musical diatribe against pool in “The Music Man”. There’s trouble right here in River City….

    And like the Music Man, the writers of these articles aren’t really concerned about the issue, they just want to stir up panic. In the newspaper business, problems sell papers, and if you can’t find a problem, make one up.

    • That’s Trouble with a capital “T.”
      Yes, panic, controversary, etc… that’s what sells, and “news” is just another big business out to protect their investors and their bottom line. So, find something that will scare people and report on that… and focus on their prejudices, and when possible find a single entity to focus all of their diatribe on, because it’s much easier to drum up a response when there is a single common “enemy” the public can focus on: Countrywide, raves, certain politicians, etc…

  9. What a splendid article! I wholeheartedly agree with what you say – as I`m in my 70s I wouldn`t know a rave if it hit me in the face and, yes, it saddens me when I read of young people o.d`ing on substances but, as you say quite rightly, everybody is responsible for the consequences of their own actions. As a lawyer I know that every law made to protect our freedom means that we lose more of it in the end!

    • Thank you for commenting. This line really brings it home for me: “As a lawyer I know that every law made to protect our freedom means that we lose more of it in the end!” The more we rely on the government to take care of us, the less we are beholden for our own actions and the more we require the government to take care of us… a vicious, vicious whirlpool sucking us down.

  10. In the 80s I was lucky enough to live for a couple of months in Berkeley, California. One night I saw a Grateful Dead covers band and they were awful. I saw them the next week on LSD and they were brilliant! My point is that drugs are – or certainly were, back then – part and parcel of an ‘experience.’ The same experience with a different perception depending on your state of being.

    Raves are similar. It’s the merging of your state of mind with the music and the people you’re with – and why you’re with them. It’s far more than merely going out to dance. Which is not to say that drugs are a necessary element, just that they are an optional extra that can add to the experience. Some forward thinking promoters in the 90s even provided a free service so you could have your ecstasy (MDMA) checked to make sure it was okay and not tampered with.

    You can’t stop youth experimenting and nor should you, though it seems society is trying harder and harder to do just that. Life is inherently full of risk and not safe. Any death at a rave is sad, but it’s also sad that they get blown out of all proportion by an ever hungry media.

    In my view alcohol is a far worse evil than ecstasy, yet because it happens to be legal, and big business can afford to protect itself and promote its product positively, the appalling damage alcohol does is swept under the rug.

    Apologies if I’ve blathered on. You’ve written a good article which should have a wider audience.

    • Thank you for the compliment.

      “Life is inherently full of risk and not safe.” This exact sentiment is something I’ve been trying to figure out how to write a post on. We blow things out of proportion, we worry needlessly, we focus our worry on the wrong things, and in the end the riskiest thing we do every day is get in our car to drive to work, or butter our toast, or any number of other things we take for granted every day that are far more likely to be our demise. Thanks for taking the time to read and comment.

  11. Awesome post – it was nice to get a little insight into raves; like Gordon said, I didn’t know much about them either, except that there was always a stigma attached to the word. Thanks for the new perspective!

  12. Well said Matt and completely true. I totally agree with everything that you said. You really ought to send that into the paper for them to publish.

    • Got a nasty gram from the The Times the last time I tried to publish something – “We don’t accept any articles for consideration that have already been published someplace else.” As I was writing this Sunday and finishing it up yesterday I struggled with whether I should publish on WordPress or send it to The Times… Obviously, I opted to post it on here. I think my main reasoning was to get the feedback and insight of my fellow pressers. I wanted to hear what all of you had to say, and if I’d sent it to the paper I wouldn’t have gotten that. (Though, I guess I could have published on here after it was published in the paper… maybe, they may have some sort of clause in their publishing agreement that wouldn’t allow me to do that, I’m not sure.)

  13. So you were a rave man? That must have been interesting. I have never been to one or wanted to go, but I realize why young people go to them. I try not to judge anyone for recreational activities. When I was young I liked to do a lot of things that would make raves look relatively safe. I was just young and that is what I did. If I made mistakes back then, then I would accept responsibility.
    People always need something or someone to blame to make themselves feel safer. To stereotype a group because of an activity only leads to separation, separation leads to discrimination, misunderstanding and violence. Rave on my friend.

    • I think the operative word here is “was.” Yes, I was a raver. I definitely wouldn’t consider myself one anymore. And in the scouts I definitely did many things that make raving (or what people perceive raving to mean) look tame. Making mistakes, accepting responsibility and learning from those experiences is an intergral part of “growing up” that our society is severaly lacking. Your chain leading to misunderstanding and violence is crazy accurate and crazy scary.

      • I am writing about that right now, so it is on my mind and it is scary. You can read the post when it is done and see if I added enough hope to it. I believe in hope for all people.

      • Looking forward to it. And more lines I steal from movies: LOTR – “There is always hope.” Shawshank: “Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies.”

  14. Where do I start here? I remember when my mom heard I went to a rave, and she started sending me articles about girls who died taking drugs at raves. She really thought that if you went to a rave, that meant you were doing drugs. Alternately, she doesn’t seem to think that going to a concert or a festival means someone is doing drugs. Go figure.

    I think there is a common theme of ditching sobriety at most places people go to listen to music. This thing about blaming raves is silly. Raves are no different than, like you mentioned, a Phish concert. Or Coachella. Or that hip hop festival we went to with my siblings a few years back. And when drugs aren’t in heavy use, alcohol often is. Like you said, it is a choice. It is naive to think that raves have more rampant drug use than clubs or music festivals.

    That being said, you and I had very different rave experiences. I saw a lot of violence at raves. Scary stuff. People died at several raves I attended, and not because of drugs. Because of weapons. (I saw this at the hip hop festival, too) First, you mentioned security and getting your stuff checked. Ha! I only saw security at larger events. And looking in my purse was always laughable. (Just as it is at concerts in general.) But, all the smaller underground parties we had were hit and miss on the sketch factor. And rarely had any real security, let alone metal detectors! Some friends threw a monthly in OC that was usually smooth. One night a gang showed up and demanded we play their music. We did, and it was tense until they left. It was way creepy. I have certainly seen more stabbings at raves (massives) than at concerts. But that could be the shows I’m going to, too. Point is, I’m more concerned about violence at raves, or any late night shows, than I am about everyone there OD’ing so the city can make a quick dime.

    • Thanks for the feedback… Interesting about the violence – I think I only ever saw one fight at a party (one of the first I went to at the MasterDome – THE DOME!!). Still, though, I wonder what the incidence of violence is at “raves” compared to any other social gathering for youths where music is played… It’s probably a statiscal anamoly. I guess, bringing it back to the article – I still have no problem with cities trying to balance their budgets by allowing promoters to throw these events because I still see them as no different from any other musical event/concert/ho-down/shindig/etc…

  15. Your post is spot freakin on. I grew up in the Detroit area where techno is huge. When I was younger I listened to The Electrifying Mojo and DJ T1000 in the mid 80s and graduated to Dutch Hardbeats and full fledged raves in the early 90s. I don’t do the scene anymore but still love and listen to the music. It Is all about the music. I never felt compelled to do drugs. That said, plenty of people did and that was their choice. I should neither be held accountable for anyone’s poor choice nor they for mine. This is where I prickle as well. Oh and just my 2 cents, if the government does intervene get ready for a bigger cf. Thanks again!

    • Hooray for common sense, and holding people accontable for their actions rather than labeling everyone around them as one and the same! If you are interested, I posted one of my sets from the late 90’s on youtube as part of my 200th post celebration – I think you can find it by searching “the matticus kingdom” on YouTube. Or, you can find my 200th post on wordpress and see it that way too.

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